Sunday, November 30, 2014

Miss Ruby Jay - Letters from my great grandfather to my great grandmother in 1929

In 1929, my great grandfather and great grandmother took several trips. Robert Royer "Bob" Moose ventured to Sulphur and Oklahoma City, as well as several destinations in Arkansas. Ruby Fern Jay visited family in Kansas and Iowa. During these times apart, Bob wrote several letters and postcards, and sent several telegrams. Ruby saved these correspondences, and I have transcribed them with the intention of including them in genealogy book I plan to publish in the future. I am sharing some of my favorite excerpts here.


Ruby Jay – 1220 W. Wash. – Guthrie, Okla.

June 27

Will leave here tomorrow. Still having a good time. Sure is hot but coal [sic] at night. Love, Bob


Miss Ruby Jay – First Natl. Bank – Guthrie, Okla.

Foreman, Ark. – June 28-29

My dearest:

I am still in Foreman and having a good time. Kid you sure would like to be down here. I can’t hardly leave. I intended to leave here yesterday but the folks wouldn’t let me. I am going to Idabel tomorrow this afternoon. Will probably stay there tonight. We may go from there to Okla City. We have rode about six hundred miles since we left Guthrie. We went to a peach orchard yesterday and filled up.
Kid the trees and everything here are just beautiful. There is almost any kind. Pine, walnut, maple, hickory, and a million others.

Say kid don’t notice this writing as I am so nervous that my hand shakes. This writing love letters is almost a new experience to me. But dear, I love you enough to try it once. I have been riding that motor-cycle until I am stiff and sore. I am sending Lawrence two cucumbers. You should sell them. They are only small ones. I am going to take two back on the motor. They are plenty big. How is B.Y.P.U. by now? Boy I would sure like to be there with you and the old gang.

When we arrived here we were as mudy [sic] as hogs. We stopped at Foreman to fix a flat. We stopped at the Ford garage, and hadn’t been there but a few minutes until two of my cousins walked out. They didn’t know us but it didn’t take long to get acquainted. Tommie wanted us to go to the home and we wanted to clean up first, but no use as Tommie is a girl and wouldn’t let us. If you could see me while I am writing this letter you wouldn’t want to be my little wife. I have sent all my clothes back to O.C. and don’t have any more here so the girls and Aunt Mae said I could stay a few hours like this. Oh man but for a good swim in a river, I had one yesterday and didn’t need any bathing suit. There was a boat by the name of Ruby in the water. But I couldn’t use it.

I will try to write so you can read the next letter if you will excuse this one. Remember I love you and always will.

Lovingly, Bob


Miss Ruby Jay – Pleasantville, Iowa – General Delivery  [8-3-29 Postmark]

From R.R. Moose – 218 N. First – Guthrie, Okla.

Guthrie, Okla. - Sat. Morn.

Dearest Ruby:
I was sure glad to receive a letter from you this morning. It seems like a month since I said good-bye, but it is only three days. I am glad that you are having such a good trip and sure would like to be with you. I sure wish you would write more in these short letters, but I guess that is good for the first letters I ever received from my little B.-T.-B. [sic]

Now figure that out if you can, and if you can’t, I’ll try to tell you when you, “come back to me.” This is our busy day, but you can imagine how hard I am working. I am getting off easy at the present but wait till this afternoon.

Sarah came home last night and knocked Lawrence and I out of a trip to Tulsa as we were going after her next Sunday or rather tomorrow. Now I guess I will go to bed and sleep all day. Heck no! Not me.

Mr. Lintz arrived home yesterday and sure is a busy man. Don’t know for sure, but, it looks like re-moddeling [sic] will start soon. Well I guess I had better stop and get to work before someone tells me too. [sic]

I close longing to hold you in my arms once more.

Love, Bob

P.S. Tell all the folks hello. Hoping you lots of good luck. Bob


The last letter in the group is this one, and I thought it was a particularly nice testament to their relationship. The is is a telegram that was sent on Valentine's Day 1930. 

They married one month later, on March 15th, 1930 in Guthrie, Oklahoma, and were together until Bob's death on June 18th, 1975 in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Sunday, November 16, 2014

The Ancestry of Phoeba Louiza Holmes - Part One: Sorting out the Holmes men

I tend to put genealogy down and pick it back up relatively sporadically depending on how busy I am and what else is going on with my life. Similarly, I tend to pick up and put down certain genealogical research projects when I feel I'm getting nowhere, I'm getting frustrated, or I'm away from a particular project for so long I've lost my train of thought and move on for a while. Researching my Holmes family has been one of these projects, but I have finally gathered enough patience and persistence to answer a handful of questions, raise some interesting theories, and provide information on this family that I think will be valuable to other researchers of this family.

One of my great great grandmothers was a woman named Sarah Olive Sain. She is pictured below with her husband, Adolphus Franklin Moose.

Sarah was the daughter of Phoeba Louiza Holmes and Samuel Daniel Sain. They are pictured below.

While my Sain ancestry has its own share of questions that need to be answered, I have gravitated toward Phoeba's ancestry because there seemed to be more unanswered questions, and more poorly-done genealogy based on assumptions, faulty logic, and sometimes what appears to be pure guesswork. So I have set about attempting to clear up some of the bad information that is on the internet and elsewhere, as well as to provide new information about her ancestry.

Phoeba is one of my favorite ancestresses because she did something rather wonderful late in her life: She kept a record of all the births of her descendants in a manuscript of sorts. She names her parents as Absalom Holmes and Olive Hollis. She also names her husband's parents, and all of their collective children and grandchildren up until her death in 1941 in Arizona.

I have previously addressed some questions of her maternal ancestry here:

Now I would like to address some questions and concerns about her paternal ancestry, through the Holmes family.

Who is the father of Absalom Holmes, and who are his brothers, and who are his cousins?

The parentage of Absalom Holmes (side note: there is no proof his name was Asa Absalom Holmes as he is listed in many family trees and genealogies) is a complicated matter. He has two strong candidates for his father, and the situation is further complicated because it is unclear if the two candidates are brothers, or father and son themselves. Similarly, we also do not know the maiden name of either of their wives, and only the first name of one, though later in part two of this essay I will theorize as to which family at least one of their wives belonged, if not both.

The two candidates for Absalom's father are James Holmes, born about 1768, and William Holmes, born about 1783. (A similar side note: Many list William as "William N", but there is not a single piece of documentation in existence indicating any middle initial for William.) They were both born in South Carolina. William's age comes from the 1850 and 1860 Censuses. James's age comes from his pension application for service in the Revolutionary War, which he claimed he took part in as a young boy at age twelve in the same unit as his father, another William Holmes. It has been assumed for decades that James was the father of William. However, if James's age in his pension application is to be believed, then he would have only been 15 at the time of William's birth. That is of course assuming that William knew his age and gave it correctly to the census taker. It would not have been horribly uncommon for a 15 year old woman to have a child at that age, but it would have been almost unheard of for a boy to sire a child at that age.

It is possible that James was a couple of years older than he thought he was and that William was a couple of years younger than he thought he was, in which case their being father and son works well. If they were not father and son, then they were most certainly siblings, as their families intersected frequently and they lived in close proximity to one another for decades. James's household can be found in the Greenville District of South Carolina in 1790 which showed two males over 16, one male under 16, and two females. It seems most likely that this would be James, his wife, William, and two other relatives, possibly a brother with a sister or daughter.

It seems most likely to me that William was indeed James's brother rather than son, and due to the lack of probate records or any other kind of record to prove one way or another, we will probably never know with certainty what their relationship was. It would appear possible, based on the census record, that James's father, William Sr., passed away and James took on the responsibility of taking care of the family. But I do think it's important to consider and leave open the possibility that they were father and son despite the aforementioned concerns regarding their respective ages.

The next issue with James and William is identifying each of their many sons and attaching them to their proper fathers. As they are missing from the 1800 and 1810 Census records, we will likely never have an entirely accurate idea of how many children they each had. By the 1820 Census for each is a good place and shows that both had many sons.

In 1820, James's household shows four males under 10, two males 10-15, one male 16-18, and one male 16-25 other than himself, listed as 45 and over. His wife is listed as being in the 26-44 age range, and two apparent daughters are listed as well. It is not clear how many times James married, but if he was married prior to 1790 she would have needed to have been relatively young to still give birth to five children between 1810 and 1820. It seems likely his wife in 1820 would be wife number two, but she may not be. I will theorize later as to who at least one of his wives, if there was more than one, could have been.

James's 1830 household curiously does not enumerate him for whatever reason, but also shows two sons ages 10-14 and two more ages 15-19. His wife is shown to be in the 50-59 age range; I am inclined to believe this wife is on the low end of that spectrum, likely between 50-52, since most women lose the ability to bear children by their early 40's and she was clearly still having children as late as 1817-1820. If James was indeed born in 1768, then he would have been in the 60-69 age range.

These two census records indicate that James had at least eight sons born from the late 1790s to 1820, on top of any who were out of his household by 1820. Without probate records or any other records specifically tying him to any of his children, we can only theorize as to who all these sons were and whether they belonged to him or William, who also had a large number of sons. The 1820 Census shows William with three sons under the age of 10, and one son 10-15. He and his wife are both in the 26-44; this wife is most likely the Elizabeth to whom is married in the 1850 Census. In 1830, his household (in which he is also not enumerated, just like James's household) shows another son 5-9 along with three of his other sons remaining in his household.

These numbers mean we have at least 13 Holmes men to identify and tie to their respective fathers as best we can, besides the aforementioned likelihood that James had other sons born prior to 1795. We have the names of most of the Holmes men that are among these 13 born from 1795-1825, but they all traveled around the country in clusters, mixing and mingling here and there, and there are few documents that have been found that specify their respective relationships. These men all moved to Arkansas, Missouri, Texas, and elsewhere together, but it's impossible to know for the most part if the men were brothers or first cousins.

I am now going to list out all the Holmes men I have identified, what I know or don't know about them, and whether I think they belong to James or William. I will be listing them chronologically.

1. Robert Holmes, born about 1793 in South Carolina. He can be found in the 1840 and 1850 Census in Benton County, Tennessee. Benton County is adjacent to Perry County where James and William lived, which is one reason Robert caught my attention. He may or may not be the Robert Holmes listed in Carroll County in 1830, and he is probably the Robert Holmes in the 1820 Census in Hickman County, which is adjacent to both Perry and Benton counties. His place of birth being South Carolina is the other reason he has caught my attention. I have no other reasons other than this very weak circumstantial evidence to tie him to James, but it's certainly possible that Robert could be a son of James. He would not be one of the 13 sons born between 1795-1825 though.

2. Benjamin Holmes, born between 1795 and 1802. He is a Sworn Chain Carrier (SCC) in 1821 from Abslom Denton and Benjamin Harden. He would have had to have been of legal age at that time, so at least age 18. (Source: He also signed the 1819 petition to form Perry County ( I have not located him in any Census records. Since he did not have his own household in 1820, I believe him to be the 16-25 male in James's household. James Sr. was also a SCC for the same land survey for Abslom Denton that Benjamin worked on. Other than these two mentions, I have found no other information on him.

3. Samuel Holmes, born about 1802. Samuel is first found signing the 1819 petition to form Perry County right next to James Holmes Sr. He is next found in the 1830 Census in Perry County living next door to whom I believe must be his first cousin Abraham Holmes, who will be discussed below. He is next found in the 1836 and 1838 tax records of Wayne County, Tennessee. In 1838, he is living in the same tax district George Washington Holmes (b. 1815), who was most likely his brother. In 1840, he is found in Wayne County, Tennessee, a few pages from where George and Absolom Holmes were living next door to one another. He is still in Wayne County in 1850, and has residing with him a James Holmes and his family, who I believe is likely his 1st cousin. This same James is residing with Samuel in 1860, except in Stoddard County, Missouri.

Samuel died in 1866 in Stoddard County, Missouri, and his "oldest brother" (which I interpret to mean oldest living brother) Abraham Holmes is named the administrator of his estate. ( On the bond for Samuel's estate, Abraham was named a principal, and James a security. ( Samuel is too old to be the eldest 10-15 male child of William, which makes him most likely to be James's son, and he fits as the 16-18 year old in James's 1820 household. His estate names Abram/Abraham as his brother, which seemingly would make him a son of James as well. And given Samuel's close relationship with James b. circa 1816, as he lived with him for so long, I would assume he is most likely Samuel's brother rather than cousin.

4. Abram/Abraham Holmes, born about 1806. Abraham is a bit complicated to sort out because he apparently went by Abram, Abraham, and Abe seemingly interchangeably throughout records. He is first found signing the 1819 petition to form Perry County. He most certainly was not of age, but they may have asked him to sign in order to bulk up the number of signatures submitted to the county legislature, and they likely assumed no one would be able to follow up on the ages of every single person who signed. He appears as an SCC a couple of times in the land survey records.

In 1830, I believe he is most likely the Abraham Holmes residing next door to Samuel in the census. What makes this assumption complicated is that it appears there is also an "Abram Holmes" listed nearby James Sr. and William in the same year. So it is possible that Abram was listed twice, but I think it is more likely that the "Abram" is really Abslom/Absalom, his likely cousin. I will expand on that idea more later, but basically since William is missing a son in his household in 1830 who would likely be in the 15-19 age range based on his sons in the 1820 Census, it seems more likely to me that this second household is really Absalom, rather than assuming that Abram was enumerated twice or that there was a second Abraham in the mix, though that is also possible, as I will explain later. The Abraham Holmles household next to Samuel shows a male and his likely wife in the 20-29 age range, along with three children ages 5-9. Notice that none of them are under 5, and since this is a young couple, if these were their children, I would think there would be one under 5. I think it is more likely that these are young relatives of either Abram or his wife, rather than their children, though it is possible they are all his children and that they either died or lived elsewhere by 1840. Personally, it seems highly unlikely that in 1830, Samuel would be living next to one certain Abraham Holmes, and then 36 years later have an entirely different Abraham Holmes named the administrator of his estate. It is within the realm of possibility that this is the case, of course, and that the below-listed "Unknown Holmes" could be a second Abraham Holmes who would have to be the son of William or that Abram was enumerated twice, but it seems unlikely.

In 1837, he can be found listed as Abraham paying taxes in Perry County ( In 1840, he is listed as Abram and is living in Conway County, Arkansas; there is a 20-29 year old male in his household that I believe is his brother, Jacob L. Holmes who is living almost next door to him in 1850, with another brother, George W., sandwiches between them. In 1850, he is listed as Abram again and is living in Searcy County, Arkansas. In 1860, he is listed as Abe Holmes and is found in Stoddard County, Missouri. He is still in Stoddard County, Missouri in 1870 and is listed as Abraham again. It is not known when or where he died. He does appear to be the Abraham Holmes that served in the 7th Missouri Cavalry (CON) in Haislip's Company along with his brother James and son William. As mentioned above in Samuel's sketch, I believe he must be a son of James since he is named a brother of Samuel.

5. James Holmes, born 18 Oct 1807. He is first found signing the 1819 petition to form Perry County at only age 12. He does not have his own household in the 1830 Census, and I therefore believe him to be the 20-29 year old male in the household of William Holmes. He appears in the 1837 tax list for Perry County, though it is unclear if he is the "Holmes, James" or the "Holms, Jas.", as one would be him and one would be his cousin, son of James Sr., who himself is listed as James Sr. In 1840, James is still in Perry County, and by 1850 he is in Van Buren County, AR, with only one household between his own and his likely brother, Absalom Holmes. (Note: Absalom's daughter Narcissa married James's son Benjamin.) James married Mary Denton, daughter of Benjamin Denton (, and Mary Denton's sister Wincey Denton married Benjamin Holmes b. 1816, who is most likely James's brother. Next door to James is a John Denton.

In 1860, James is in Pope County and living next door to Welcome Holmes, his likely brother, son of William Sr., and is still there by 1880, when there are only two households separating his and that of William Holmes, most likely the youngest son of William Sr. He died on 2 Oct 1884 and is buried in Pope County, AR. Due to his most likely being the 20-29 year old in William's 1830 household and his frequently close proximity to William's other likely sons, Benjamin b. 1816, Welcome, Absalom, and William, I believe it most likely that this James is the son of William Holmes.

6. Unknown Holmes, born about 1808. I have not been able to identify with any amount of certainty who the second 10-15 year old male in James Sr.'s 1820 household could have been, the first being Abram. It is within the realm of possibility that my assumptions about the relationships of these Holmes men are wrong and that this scenario is true:

The 1830 Census was not mistaken; there truly was one Abram and one Abraham, or two Abrahams who were heads of household in Perry County in 1830. If this is the case, then Abram of Stoddard Co. who is named a brother of Samuel would still be a son of James. Since James would be unlikely to name two sons Abraham, then the second Abraham would be a son of William, and therefore James b. 1807 would been James Sr.'s son rather than William's because William had only one son in the 10-15 age range in 1820. If James b. 1807 is a son of James Sr., that would make James b. 1816 a son of William as James Sr. is unlikely to name two sons James. That would mean Absalom would be the son of James Sr. rather than William since we know with almost complete certainty that Welcome and Benjamin b. 1816 are William's sons and he only had three sons born between 1810 and 1820 according to the 1830 Census.

This scenario seems, to me at least, highly unlikely given the plethora of circumstantial evidence supporting James b. 1816 as a son of James Sr. and James b. 1807 as the son of William, and it is most likely Absalom is William's rather than James's son. It is important to list out this scenario, as unlikely as I think it to be. Until I can find any sufficient evidence that disproves my theories, I am going to continue assuming that there was only one Abram/Abraham and that this son of James born between 1805 and 1810 remains unknown.

7. John Holmes, born about 1811. John is yet another complicated piece of this puzzle, which of course is the trend in this family. We know there was a John Holmes in Perry County, TN at the same time as our other Holmeses and that he was almost certainly their kin. However, we do NOT know with certainty that the John Holmes of Anderson County, Texas is the same John that we're missing. He certainly fits age-wise and was born in Tennessee, and several of the Holmes men moved to Texas in nearby counties to Anderson. At least one of his descendants ( believes he came from Perry County and is our missing John Holmes. But without documentation or DNA evidence, this is only a theory. So I want to put that out there from the start.

A John Holmes is found in the same tax district as William, James Sr., and most of our other Holmes men in 1837. He is not in the 1840 census in Perry or any of the surrounding counties. This John Holmes appears in the 1850 Census in Anderson County, Texas, with his wife Sarah (a descendant names her Sarah Watts) and several children. It appears that John was in Texas no later than 1841 based on the age and place of birth of his eldest child; it is worth noting that he named his first child James. He is also in Anderson County, Texas in 1860, though I have not found what became of him after that point. Below shows where in Texas John, Absalom, George W., and Benjamin b. 1816 ultimately settled.

The red star is John, the blue star is Benjamin b. 1816, the green star is Absalom, and the yellow star is George W. So the latter of these two did not settle horribly far from where John did, though that hardly constitutes as solid proof. I am tentatively willing to believe that our John Holmes of Perry County, TN and John Holmes of Anderson County, TX are one in the same, but I could be easily swayed were I presented with evidence that detracts from this view. I am tentatively placing him as a son of James, as he fits as one of the four sons under age 10 in James's 1820 household.

8. Absalom Holmes, born about 1813. As luck would have it, perhaps the most complicated and difficult-to-place Holmes of them all happens to be my direct ancestor, Absalom Holmes. I have spent parts of the last 5 years trying to definitively place him as the son of either James or William, and have still not been entirely successful. But I am prepared to accept my final conclusion, unless presented with more evidence in the future: That he is the son of William Holmes.

As explained above, I think it is likely that he is the "Abram" Holmes listed in the 1830 Census nearby William and James Sr. (The main issue with this theory is that Absalom would have only been 17-18 in 1830, and not in the 20-30 age range.) It would not be the only time he is listed as such; he is listed as "Abram" or "Abron" in the 1870 Census in Van Buren County, AR. This would mean he is one of the three sons under age 10 in William's 1820 household, and would explain why William shows only one son 15-19 in 1830 rather than two, as the first would certainly be Welcome Holmes. He then appears in the 1837 tax list for Perry County. He is found in Wayne County next door to his cousin George W. Holmes in 1840, Wayne County being where the family of his second wife Olive Hollis was from. By 1850 he is in Van Buren County, Arkansas with only one household between his and that of his likely-brother, James b. 1807. Next to James is a John Denton. The Denton family will factor in heavily into my assertion that Absalom is the son of William. Additionally, Absalom's daughter Narcissa married James's son, Benjamin Holmes b. 1816.

By 1860, Absalom is living in Newton County, Missouri away from all of his kin as far as best I can tell. He was married to his third wife by this point, his wives Julia Gamble and Olive Hollis having predeceased him. He must have not cared for being so far from family, because by 1870 he had returned to Van Buren County, where he lived only two households from William D. Holmes, son of Benjamin Holmes b. 1816, who was likely his brother and was also residing in Van Buren County. In 1880, Absalom is found in Limestone County, Texas with his fourth wife, and that is the last record we have of him. He appears to have had the most children of all the Holmes men, clocking in with at least 14 that we have identified. His eldest son Gardner Holmes was killed in action in the Civil War, so he named his fourth son Gardner as well after the Civil War in tribute to the son he lost.

There is no solid evidence definitively linking him to James or William, and there is an almost equal amount of general circumstantial evidence that could tie him to either one. To make a case for James: In 1840, he is residing next door to George W. Holmes, who is almost certainly a son of James. In addition, he may be the Absalom Holmes who appears in some Stoddard County records ( which would seem to tie him closer to James's progeny Samuel, Abram, and James b. 1816. It is also worth noting that Absalom's likely-in-laws, the family of Stephen Hollis, also came to Stoddard County from Wayne, TN and settled there for several decades. This geographic tie was the basis for my assuming Absalom was the son of James for the better part of the past five years.

The primary case for Absalom being a son of William is basically his proximity to and ties to two men I believe strongly are William's sons: James b. 1807 and Benjamin b. 1816. Absalom's daughter married James's son, and they lived almost next door to each other in 1850. In 1870, Absalom was living almost-next-door to William D. Holmes, Benjamin's son. The main thing that makes me tie Absalom to William's family is really the family's connections to the Denton family. The second part of this essay will detail my thoughts on connections to the Denton family, but it is worth pointing out that both James b. 1807 and Benjamin married Dentons, as did an apparent daughter of William. (Elizabeth, the wife of Christopher Denton, is believed to be a daughter of William.) It is highly likely that William's wife was a Denton, and it is possible that James Sr. married a Denton as well. DNA evidence from three great great grandchildren of Absalom Holmes strongly indicates a biological connection to the Denton family. The Dentons have already been tied to the Holmes family in many records. As I said, I will detail my thoughts on my probable connection to the Dentons later on, but I am mentioning here that it is my primary basis for attaching Absalom as William's son.

9. Welcome Holmes, born about 1814. Welcome's connection to this family is fortunately aided by a person who knew him. In 1915, William D. Holmes, the aforementioned son of Benjamin Holmes who lived near Absalom in 1870, wrote to his local paper after requests from the paper for letters to the editor from old area settlers. He writes:

"I was born in Perry county, Tenn., in 1837. My father moved his family to Searcy county, this state, in 1844, and five years latter [sic], 1849, we moved to this good old county [Van Buren County]. I was 12 years old and it has been my home every [sic] since, making me a continuous citizen of Van Buren county for 66 years. [Note: Benjamin's household is still in Searcy County in 1850, so they really must have come over to Van Buren sometime in 1850 or 1851.]

My first home in the county was 12 miles northwest of Clinton, on what is now known as the Couch farm. We were living there when the war came up in 1861, my father enlisting in the army. I remember helping my father, Ben Holmes, my uncle, Week Holmes, and Jess Barnes build the first jail house ever built in Van Buren county, and it was built at Clinton."

"Week" was short for "Welcome", and this firmly ties he and Benjamin as brothers. The fact that William Sr. is residing with Benjamin in 1860, apparently being cared for by his son, seemingly ties Welcome and Benjamin as William's sons pretty firmly. Welcome may have been in Arkansas as early as the mid-1830's, because he is not found on the 1837 Perry County tax list. He is found in 1840 Census in Searcy County, Arkansas, making him one the first in the family to venture to Arkansas, along with Abram. By 1850 he is found in Van Buren County, and finally in Pope County in 1860. He is not found after the 1860 Census, and it believed he died before 1870 in Pope County. I have not found record of him actually serving in the Civil War, but he was a part of Pope County's militia (the 15th Arkansas Militia) when they mustered in once 1861 and promptly disbanded so that each member could join any other regiments of their choice. (I had several other relatives who were also members of this militia and am very familiar with the unit's history. Many opted to join Confederate units, while still others entered the war by serving for the Union. I have not found Welcome re-enlisting anywhere.)

10. George Washington Holmes, born about 1815. George W. Holmes, like most of the Holmes men, is another Holmes that I have placed with his father by a combination of circumstantial evidence and logical deduction. I believe he is the son of James Holmes. He fits as one of James's 4 sons under 10 in 1820 and one of the two 15-19 year olds in 1830. He is not found on the 1837 Perry County tax list, but he is found on the 1838 Wayne County tax list in the same district as Samuel Holmes. In 1840, he is residing in Wayne County next door to his likely 1st cousin Absalom Holmes. In 1850 he is residing in Searcy County, Arkansas, and his household is sandwiched directly between Jacob L. Holmes and Abram Holmes, and I believe they are both his brothers. I have not located him for the 1860 or 1870 Censuses, but in 1880 he is found in Robertson County, Texas. (We can be sure it is the same George W. because his wife is a still a woman named Caroline with an age consistent with the Caroline he is married to in 1850.) A small but slightly helpful clue is that he named one of his sons Jacob L. Holmes, which made me more inclined to attached Jacob L. Holmes b. 1819 as his brother.

11. James Holmes, born about 1816. His age is a guess since his records have been so inconsistent. He is first found on the 1837 Perry County tax list as either the "James Holmes" or the "Jas. Holms" (as mentioned above, one would be him and one would be his cousin James b. 1807). He is next found on the 1840 Census in Perry County, TN. In 1850, he is found living with his brother Samuel in Wayne County, TN. His year of birth is given as about 1818. In 1860, he is still living with Samuel, but in Stoddard County, Missouri with his approximate year of birth given as 1812. It appears he enlisted in the Missouri 7th Cavalry (CSA) in 1863 with his brother Abram and nephew William; at that time he gave his age as 45. However, Abram appears to have adjusted his age to make him a little younger, so it is possible James did the same. Accordingly, I have decided that 1816 makes sense as it is between 1812 and 1818 and means he still fits in James Sr.'s 1830 household as one of the two 10-14 year old males. James acted as security for his brother Samuel's 1866 estate and appears in a handful of other Stoddard County records, but what ultimately became of him has not been found by this researcher.

12. Benjamin Holmes, born about 1816. As I've made pretty clear above, I believe Benjamin is the son of William as William appears to be residing with him in 1860, and Benjamin was likely caring for him at that time. Benjamin fits as the 10-14 year old male in William's 1830 household. He is first found on the 1837 Perry County tax list. He is in Perry County in the 1840 Census, and is in Searcy County in the 1850 Census. Based on his son William D.'s testimony above, it appears he went to Van Buren County not long after 1850. He is found residing in Van Buren in 1860 and 1870, and finally in Wise County, Texas in 1880. I have not found what became of Benjamin after that point. He was married to Wincey Denton, the sister of his brother James's wife Mary Denton.

I believe it is worth mentioning Benjamin's son John W. Holmes, born about 1842. John was a brave man, as he was a Union loyalist residing in Confederate Arkansas. He was apparently not very afraid to express his beliefs, as he was counted among the "Yellar Rag Boys", a group of men in the northwest Arkansas who sported yellow rags in a sign of solidarity in their support of the Union. He and many of his neighbors (including his cousin Christopher Denton and another direct ancestor of mine through a separate line, Gassaway Snellgrove) were rounded up by Confederates as traitors, chained together and forced to march to Little Rock as a part of a "chain gang". Once there, they were given the choice of imprisonment or conscription into the Confederate army. I have not been able to find which of those options that John chose. (

13. Jacob L. Holmes, born about 1819. Jacob was another difficult Holmes to place. Ultimately, I placed him as the son of William based partially on logical deduction: He is the only Holmes born before 1820 not placed and all of William's sons are now accounted for according to the Census and James still has a 4th son unaccounted for. Fortunately, there is a little more circumstantial evidence tying Jacob to James, both of which are mentioned above. He is not in James's 1840 household; I believe him to be the 20-29 year old male in the household of his brother Abram in Conway County, Arkansas. He is found in the 1850 Census in Searcy County, only a few households away from his uncle William Sr. and his son William b. 1823 next to him. Jacob is next door to George W. Holmes, who is next door to Abram. George W. also named a son Jacob L., seemingly after his brother. I have not found what became of Jacob after the 1850 Census.

14. William Holmes, born about 1823. William is left logically as the son of William who is 5-9 in his 1830 household and 15-19 in his 1840 household. James had no son as young as William in his 1830 household. Additionally, William is living next door to his parents in 1850 in Searcy County. He is still in Searcy in 1860, is unaccounted for in 1870, and is in Pope County in 1880 near his brother James b. 1807 (James is on the next page of the census). William died sometime after 1880, but it is not known when or where.

This is how I believe the Holmes family fits together. I am more than willing to be wrong, but will need to be presented with sufficient evidence in order to sway my view. I have made my case as to why I believe the family can be pieced together in this way; please feel free to contact me with any additions, corrections, or alternate theories.

To review:

A. James Holmes and William Holmes were most likely brothers, son of a William Holmes of South Carolina.

B. James's sons were most likely:

1. Robert, b. 1793
2. Benjamin, b. 1798
3. Samuel, b. 1802
4. Abram/Abraham, b. 1806
5. Unknown, b. 1808
6. John, b. 1811
7. George W., b. 1815
8. James, b. 1816
9. Jacob L., b. 1819

C. William's sons were most likely:

1. James, b. 1807
2. Absalom, b. 1813
3. Welcome, b. 1814
4. Benjamin, b. 1816
5. William, b. 1823

I will now begin work on Part Two of this project where I share my theories on the Denton family of Perry, TN and Van Buren, AR and the definite and theoretical connections they have to the Holmes family.

Monday, May 26, 2014

Memorial Day

Memorial Day was originally created as a way to honor men who died during their military service in the Civil War.
I like to remember those men on a regular basis, and to do so in a small way, I'm going to list the men in my immediate and closely extended family who died, or are believed to have died, while serving in the Civil War. Every one of these men is either a director ancestor/grandfather, a biological uncle, or a 1st cousin. For several months now, I have been undertaking the daunting task of identifying as many of my 1st cousins and uncles that served in the Civil War as possible. This list now includes over 400 names, and I am less than halfway through my tree. All of these men's service can be proven by Civil War service records, pensions, accounts by comrades, or sworn statements from immediate family members or neighbors.
There are many more on my list, but these are the men who died or are believed to have died during their service. Notice how very few of these men were actually killed in action, and even still relatively few from wounds sustained in actual battle. Most died of disease not related to having fought in battle, and a few died in POW camps. You'll also find one execution.


Calvin W. Selph - Missouri 12th Infantry (CON) - Did not return home from the war
Gassaway Snellgrove - Arkansas 18th Infantry (Marmaduke's) (CON) - Did not return home from the war

Biological uncles:

Cole Campbell - Kentucky 5th Mounted Infantry (CON) - "Accidentally shot" in 1862
James C. Epps - 1st Tennessee Infantry (CON) - Died of wounds at Chancellorsville, 8 May 1863
William B. Eversole - Kentucky 6th Cavalry (UN) - Died of disease at Cumberland at Cumberland Ford
Andrew Hash - Virginia 50th Infantry (CON) - Died of disease in Bland County, VA, 26 Jun 1862.
John Hash - 97th North Carolina Militia (CON) - Died of smallpox in February 1862
Adrian Hays - Arkansas 34th Infantry + 7th Militia (CON) - Family records indicate he did not come home from the war
Garner Holmes - Arkansas 31st Infantry (CON) - Died of wounds at Richmond, Kentucky
Richard C. Hutcheson - Unknown, most likely 14th Arkansas Infantry (CON) - Died of disease November 1862. Letter from Confederate surgeon who was courting and eventually married Richard's cousin confirms Richard's death, though no service record has been found for him.
William B. Manning - Texas 18th Cavalry (CON) - Died at the Confederate prison camp Camp Douglas in Chicago, IL on 16 Feb 1863
Richard Radford - Kentucky 7th Infantry (UN) - Died of consumption 26 May 1863 in Grand Gulf, Mississippi.
Andrew B. Rorie - Arkansas 3rd Cavalry (UN) - Died of chronic diarrhea 14 Jan 1865.
John H. Taylor - Kentucky 1st Cavalry (CON) - Died 26 Jun 1864 of disease in Cassville, GA.
John Wolf, Chaplain - Arkansas 14th Infantry (CON) - Died of sickness on duty in 1863.

1st cousins:

John E. Baker - California 3rd Infantry (UN) - Killed in battle with Indians, 29 Jan 1863.
Henry C. Barringer - North Carolina 5th Infantry (CON) - Killed 9 Nov 1862
Jacob A. Barringer - North Carolina 8th Infantry (CON) - Killed in Action, 20 Apr 1864 in Plymouth, NC
Edward L. Beaver - North Carolina 8th Infantry (CON) - Last official record states he was captured. Testimony of a comrade states he was KIA.
John D. Beaver - North Carolina 8th Infantry (CON) - Died of wounds at Globe Tavern in Aug 1864.
Moses W. Beaver - North Carolina 57th Infantry (CON) - Died 23 Sep 1862 in hospital in Richmond, VA.
James H. Binkley - Tennessee 20th Infantry (CON) - Died of pneumonia 2 Dec 1861 in Knoxville, TN.
John M. Binkley - Tennessee 20th Infantry (CON) - Died of measles 28 Nov 1861 in Knoxville, TN.
William Binkley - Tennessee 20th Infantry (CON) - Killed at Battle of Chickamauga, 13 Sep 1863.
George E. Boaz - Alabama 30th Infantry (CON) - Died of disease 3 Jan 1853 in Talladega, AL.
Sampson H. Boaz - Alabama 30th Infantry (CON) - Died 1 Aug 1862 in Tennessee.
William A. Denton - Arkansas 3rd Cavalry (UN) - Died 19 Jan 1864 of typhoid fever three mile from Little Rock, AR.
Franklin Dobbs - Georgia 34th Infantry (CON) - Died of wounds sustained at Vicksburg on 31 Oct 1862.
Joseph H. Dobbs - Alabama 10th Infantry (CON) - Died as POW at Point Lookout, MD
Silas M. Dobbs - Mississippi 31st Infantry (CON) - Died December 1864 in Franklin, TN of wounds.
William U. Dobbs - Alabama 21st Infantry (CON) - Died of disease as a POW on 8 Nov 1864 in Elmira, New York.
Daniel A. Eagle - Missouri 16th Infantry (CON) - Died 24 May 1863 of a fever at Little Rock, AR.
George Eagle - North Carolina 8th Infantry (CON) - Died of disease in Goldsboro, NC on 18 Dec 1862.
Moses W. Eagle - North Carolina 8th Infantry (CON) - Died in Goldsboro, NC on 29 Dec 1862.
John C. Eversole - Kentucky 14th Cavalry (UN) - Killed by Confederate guerrillas while on furlough on 2 May 1864. The home where he was killed is still standing and still riddled with bullet holes.
Woolery Eversole - Kentucky 8th Infantry (UN) - Died sick in Nashville, TN on 9 Oct 1862.
Andrew J. Fancher - Louisiana 9th Infantry (CON) - Died from being mortally wounded in June 1864 at Battle of Moncrary [Maryland].
Early A. Fancher - Alabama 10th Infantry (CON) - Last service record shows him sick with diarrhea in Sep 1861. His estate was assigned an administrator in Mar 1862, indicating he died in service.
John W. Fancher - Mississippi 41st Infantry (CON) - Died in hospital of acute dysentery in Georgia.
Lawrence D. Fancher - Alabama 20th Infantry (CON) - Wounded at Gettysburg, and died 25 Oct 1863 in Atlanta of "chronic disease".
Noah F. B. Fancher - Mississippi 31st Infantry and 1st Cavalry (CON) - Died 12 Oct 1864 in hospital in Macon County, Georgia.
David C. Gist - Aransas 5th Infantry (CON) - Killed in Action 31 Aug 1864 in Battle of Jonesboro [Georgia].
James Gist - Tennessee 2nd Mounted Infantry (UN) - One record says he was Killed in Action 14 Jan 1864 at Shoal Creek, Alabama. Another says he died of wounds on 14 Apr 1864 in Waling's Spring, Tennessee. I suspect he and his brother's records of death got mixed up at some point. (See below)
Levi Gist - Tennessee 2nd Mounted Infantry (UN) - One record says he was Killed in Action 14 Jan 1864 at Shoal Creek, Alabama. Another says he died of wounds on 14 Apr 1864 in Waling's Spring, Tennessee. I suspect he and his brother's records of death got mixed up at some point.
William A. Haddix - Kentucky 5th Mounted Infantry (CON) - One record states he died 10 Nov 1863 in Lewisville, GA. The other has no date, and just says he died in Cassville, GA.
Byron B. Hash - Virginia 50th Infantry (CON) - Taken prisoner at Gettysburg and died as a POW 26 Jan 1864 at Point Lookout, MD.
Elbert S. Hash - Virginia 51st Infantry (CON) - Missing in action and presumed dead 10 Feb 1862 at Fort Donelson.
Jerome C. Hash - Virginia 50th Infantry (CON) - Died 14 Feb 1862 in Kentucky.
Levi Hash - Virginia 51st Infantry (CON) - Died 12 Feb 1862 at home in Grayson County, Virginia of smallpox. Brought the smallpox home with him, eventually killing his mother, brother, and other immediate family members within weeks.
William C. Hash - Virginia 45th Infantry and 29th Infantry (CON) - Died at hospital in Richmond, VA on 10 Jun 1865.
John Hodge - Missouri 16th Infantry (CON) - Family records claim he died in service.
Andrew J. Hollis - Cocke's Arkansas Infantry (CON) - Died 27 Sep 1862.
Thomas L. Hollis - Mississippi 1st Cavalry (CON) - Died at Alton, Illinois Confederate Prison Camp on 1 Nov 1863.
Charles B. Holmes - Arkansas 21st Infantry (CON) - Died 7 Aug 1862.
Paul C. Jeter - Virginia 34th Infantry (CON) - Killed at Battle of Seven Pines on 31 May 1862.
William J. Jeter - Virginia 58th Infantry (CON) - Died of wound received at Cedar Run on 10 Aug 1862.
Alfred T. Jones - Virginia 64th Mounted Infantry (CON) - Died as POW at Camp Douglas in Chicago, Illinois on 9 Jan 1865.
Henry C. Jones - Virginia 50th Infantry (CON) - Died as POW at Fort Delaware
John G. Marks - Ohio 96th Infantry (UN) - Died at Columbus, Ohio on 15 Oct 1864.
John T. May - Indiana 22nd Infantry (UN) - Died 10 Nov 1862 in Louisville, KY.
Lafayette May - Indiana 22nd Infantry (UN) - Killed in action 8 Oct 1862 at Chaplin Hill, KY.
James McElhannon - Mississippi 2nd Infantry (CON) - Died of disease 4 Nov 1862 at Stanton, VA.
Leonidus H. Mitchell - Georgia 30th Infantry (CON) - Killed in Action 30 Nov 1864 in Franklin, Tennessee.
S. Daniel Mitchell - Georgia 30th Infantry (CON) - Died of disease 12 Sep 1862 in Savannah, GA.
Albert Mooney - Mississippi 7th Battalion (CON) - Executed by Captain Bayliss in October 1862 for desertion.
Kenyon H. Mooney - Mississippi 8th Infantry (CON) - Died of disease at Tullahoma, TN on 20 Nov 1862.
Reuben Mooney - Mississippi 7th Battalion (CON) - Left at hospital in Sep 1862 and "not heard of since". Apparently died, as his widowed applied for assistance in Apr 1863.
Jacob A. Moose - North Carolina 28th Infantry (CON) - Died 28 Jul 1865.
George W. Napier - Virginia 19th Infantry (CON) - Died in service 30 Jun 1862; unable to read the place he died in the record.
Eli W. Peck - North Carolina 8th Infantry (CON) - Died as POW at Elmira Prison [New York] on 7 Oct 1864.
Julius Peck - North Carolina 5th Infantry (CON) - Shot in the head at Gettysburg. Left "in the hands of the enemy" and succumbed to his wounds on 6 Jul 1863.
John Powell - Mississippi 33rd Infantry (CON) - Killed at Franklin, TN on 30 Nov 1864. Was a Captain and acting Major at the time of his death.
Joseph Powell - Edwards' Louisiana Battalion (CON) - Died 10 Mar 1865. Apparently died on his way home after being released as a POW.
Elisha Russell - Missouri 11th Infantry, 8th Battalion Infantry, and 9th Infantry (CON) - Died of congestive chill in 1864, according to family records.
Harvey Rutherford - Virginia 51st Infantry (CON) - Died circa May 1863. "Present" for Mar/Apr 1863 Muster Roll, "Died" by May/Jun muster roll.
George M. Sain - Tennessee 16th Infantry (CON) - Killed 1 Jul 1861, no details on death.
William M. Sain - Tennessee 35th Infantry (CON) - Died March 1862; no details on death provided.
Eli A. Smith - Missouri 5th Infantry (CON) - Died of wounds at Corinth, MS. Service records give two dates: once gives 5 Oct 1862, next gives 12 Oct 1862. Family bible record gives 10 Oct 1862.
Joseph W. Spradlin - Georgia 41st Infantry (CON) - Died of disease 5 Apr 1862.
Newton Spradlin - Georgia 63rd Infantry (CON) - Died of disease 4 Apr 1863.
Jacob Whitesell - Tennessee 41st Infantry (CON) - Last record shows him left sick at Bowling Green, KY in Jan 1862. Does not appear in records after that; appears likely he died in service.
William W. Whitesell - Confederate 1st Cavalry (CON) - Killed at Battle of Shiloh on 6 Apr 1862.
Jacob R. Wilhoite - Tennessee 17th Infantry (CON) - Killed during Chattanooga campaign, 24 Oct 1863.
John B. Young - North Carolina 37th Infantry (CON) - Died Apr 1862 of disease.

Saturday, May 3, 2014

Ancestors and Descendants of Peter Ribelin

As is the case with many of my early North Carolina families, there is a lack of documentation connecting various generations. So I have set out to try and connect them with as much documentation as possible. Where the documentation is non-existent, I will be seeking out a suitable amount of circumstantial evidence, enough at least to convince myself if not others.

One such troubling family is my Ribelin family of Rowan County, North Carolina. I recently found a deed which appears to show 6 of the 7 heirs of my ancestor Peter Ribelin, and that got me to looking into the documentation tying Peter to his father. Unfortunately, there isn't any. Peter's father is believed to be Martin Ribelin, who died and left a will in Rowan County in 1793. Martin's will does not name a son, Peter. He names children Martin, Jacob, Anna, Elizabeth, Sarah, Susanna, and Rachel.

As it turns out, however, it appears that Martin likely had multiple children who were not named as heirs in his will. This may have been for a number of reasons. The most likely of which is that he gave each child their portion of his estate when they came of age, married, or else moved away. This has happened many times in many other families. There is a solid amount of evidence indicating that Martin had a daughter named Katharine who married an Adam Kern,and Martin did act as the bondsman for the marriage of a William Ribelin in 1779 in Rowan County. These facts appear to indicate that he had at least two children who were not named in his will, so why could Peter not be a third?

The fact is, Martin Ribelin was basically the only known Ribelin progenitor in North Carolina, and perhaps in all of the United States. It is shown that he came to America on the ship Duke of Wirtemberg and received at the Philadelphia Court House on 20 Oct 1752. His name was listed as "Hans Martin Raible". He also came with a brother, Johannis Reiblen. What became of this brother is unknown, but no descendants of his have been identified, so it is fair to name Martin Ribelin the sole progenitor of the name Ribelin in America. His name and the names of his descendants were spelled a number of different ways in early records, including Ribline, Ribley, Raiblin, Reblin, Riblin, Ribling, and more. They seem to have all eventually settled with Ribelin.

The argument for attaching Katharine, wife of Adam Kern, to Martin Riblin is presented in The Kern Family of Rowan County, NC, Nicholas, KY, Indiana, Iowa (Mary Margaret Kern, 1968). The argument for attaching William, as previously mentioned, primarily hinges on the facts that Martin acted as William's bondsman when he married, and the fact that Martin was pretty much the only Ribelin around. (More information on William Ribelin can be found here: There is no documentation like William's marriage record for attaching Peter to Martin, so virtually the only argument here is that Martin was the only man around who could have been Peter's father.

Jacob Ribelin is named in Martin's will. Peter's grandson Jesse Ribelin, son of Isaac, named one of his sons Jacob Asa Ribelin. Asa Ribelin was a well-known teacher in Rowan County, and was a son of Jacob Ribelin. Jacob Ribelin was also supposedly a gunsmith, a trade which was shared by Isaac Ribelin and his son Jesse. These bits of loose circumstantial evidence are not much for connecting Peter to Martin, but unfortunately that's about all that can be done.

DNA evidence has not confirmed much as of yet. My grand uncle Ronnie Moose's DNA sample came back with "Very Low" confidence matches to four descendants of Katherine Ribelin who married Adam Kern. But they did yield a "Moderate" confidence match to a descendant of Rosannah Ribelin, daughter of William Ribelin for whom Martin was the bondsman for his marriage. This is encouraging, but not definitive. Matches to more descendants of the Ribelins can help confirm Peter's lineage eventually.

It should be noted that Martin Ribelin's wife's name is not known; most have it as "Anna", but not identified a source for this name. Similarly, Peter's first wife's name (or wives' names) is not known. He remarried to a Nancy Johnson on 27 Oct 1814, but it does not appear they had any children together, as they have no young children in their household in 1820.

I have found little written on the children of Peter Ribelin, so I wanted to share this deed which names 6 of his 7 heirs.

This was taken from "Abstracts of Deed Books 30-34 of Rowan County, North Carolina 1828-1840", compiled by the Genealogical Society of Rowan County.

On 28 Oct 1830 [in Rowan County], Isaac Ribelin, John Linn/Lynn and wife Catherine, Henry Barger [Note: Should be Barrier] and wife Elizabeth, William Cox and wife Rachel, and David McMackin and wife Susanna sold their portions of Peter Ribelin's estate to their apparent brother, Samuel Ribelin.

Each were entitled to 1/7 part of the property. This means that there was a 7th child in this family who has not yet been identified. This 7th was most likely a son, as Samuel and Isaac make two, but Peter's 1810 Census shows two sons under ten and one son 10-15. The marriages for Isaac, Samuel, Elizabeth, Rachel, and Susanna can be found with various spellings of Ribelin. I could not find the marriage of Catherine to John Linn/Lynn. I could only find Susanna still living in 1850, when she is enumerated in Rowan County.

Any researchers wishing to exchange information on the Ribelins can feel free to contact me.

Sorting out my Eagle/Agle/Egle lineage in Rowan and Cabarrus Counties, NC

For a while now, I have not been satisfied with the documentation, or lack there of, connecting my ancestress Mary "Polly" Eagle Ribelin to her parents. The assertion many online trees and published genealogies have made is that she was the daughter of George Eagle and a Mary Magdeline Susannah Huldermar/Haldeman/Holdeman. I had several problems with this assertion, the primary one being that I could find no definitive documentation connecting Mary to George, who died in newton County, Missouri in 1864 ( Further, I've taken issue with the assertion that the "Mary Magdeline" that George is shown to be married to after 1850 being the same "Susanah Haldeman" he married in 1802. Beyond that, I also took issue with George being labeled the son of another George Eagle, as there similarly appeared to be a complete lack of documentation proving this. So I took it upon myself to see if I could prove or disprove any of these assertions, or at least add possible alternate scenarios.

It appears the definitive resource for Eagle family genealogy has been "Pennsylvania Genealogies; Chiefly Scotch-Irish and German.", first published in 1886 by renowned Pennsylvania historian William Henry Egle. ( Mr. Egle has a Marcus Egle as the progenitor of the Eagle family of Pennsylvania. According to Egle's book, Marcus was from Zurich, Switzerland and settled in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, where he had four children that have been identified: John, Caspar, Adam, and Susannah. He begins to give outlines of each family to the best of his knowledge; unfortunately, he does not cite many primary sources. He states that Marcus's son Adam had three sons: John, George, and Phillip, who each later immigrated to Rowan County, North Carolina. I do not take issue with this assertion, as all three men appear in the 1800 Census of Rowan County and in probate records there. He does not detail John's progeny beyond stating he had sons named David and John.

Egle goes into great detail outlining Phillip's descendants, and he lists three children for George: daughters Mary and Margaret, and George who married the woman he lists as "Mary Haldeman". Since he did not list his sources, it is difficult to ascertain how he came up with this lineage. It is likely fair to assume that the three early Rowan County Egle/Eagle's were brothers, and though I have not located specific proof of this, I will tentatively agree with the conclusion unless proven otherwise. Also, none of these three probable-brothers left wills behind naming their heirs, though there are estate files in their name. After looking through these estate files and a couple of other basic records, the first undocumented conclusion of this book I would like to dissect is that George, son of Adam, was the father of George who d. in Newton County, Missouri.

After some simple searching, I have concluded that this George who d. in Missouri is really the son of John, rather than George. George's headstone, which is located in McDonald County, Missouri, gives his date of birth as 25 Dec 1781. This is consistent with the 1850 Census which has him born about 1783, and the 1860 Census, which has him born about 1782. This would put him in the 17-19 age range in 1800. As it turns out, only one of the three brothers has a male in his household in the 16-25 age range: John Egle. Further, the bondsman for George's marriage to Susanah Haldeman was: John Egle. John died in 1806, and a George Egle is named the administrator of his estate. I can't find definitively whether this would be George b. 1781 or John's brother George, but it can assumed with relative certainty that it was his son, George b. 1781, based on an 1813 deed.

On January 18, 1813, George Eagle, Samuel Albright and his wife, Elisabeth, Catharine Eagle [Note: This is likely the Caty Eagle who m. Jacob Mowrie on 6 Apr 1814 in Rowan County], John Smith and wife, Eave, George House and wife, Margaret, all of Rowan County and heirs of John Eagle, dec'd, to Michael Isehower land in Cabarrus County (land on Ruben's Branch of English Buffalo Creek). This proves that John had a son named George, and combined with the above information, it appears clear that this son was George b. 1781. John's brother George, long assumed to be the father of George b. 1781, did also have a son named George. On 28 Feb 1818, George Eagle Sr. gifted 100 acres on Dutch Buffalo Creek in Rowan County to his son George Eagle Jr. This was certainly George who was born about 1799; he was most likely being gifted the land for coming of age.

By 1818 when that deed occurred, George b. 1781 was likely already in Cabarrus County where he is found in the 1820 Census. I base this assertion on the fact that only one George Eagle appears on the 1815 Rowan County tax list, and based on his proximity to Phillip, it is almost certainly George Eagle Sr. []

Now that I've established George b. 1781's parentage, I want to look at what we know about him and work toward attempting to connecting him to my Mary. At the very least, I would like to connect her to other Eagles who in turn could be connected to George, or else rule her out as a potential daughter for two other Eagle men who could have been her father. So I am going to split the remainder of this narrative into six sections:

I. What do we know about George Eagle, b. 1781?
II. Could anyone besides George b. 1781 be Mary Eagle Ribelin's father?
III. How else can Mary be directly or indirectly tied to George b. 1781?
IV. Could anyone besides George b. 1781 be Solomon Eagle's father?
V. DNA Evidence
VI. Are Susannah and Mary Magdeline the same woman?

I. What do we know about George Eagle, b. 1781?

George appears in the 1810 Census in Rowan County; after that, he is found in Cabarrus County in 1820-1850, and finally in Newton County, Missouri in 1860. He is living with the family of his son, Moses, in 1850 and 1860, along with his wife, who is listed as Mary M. in 1850 and Magdeline in 1860. Whether this is the same woman as the Susanah Holdeman he married in 1802 has yet to be determined with absolute certainty.

His headstone in McDonald County, MO gives his year of birth as 1781, while his 1850 and 1860 Census records give his approximate year as 1783 and 1782, respectively. His known children are: Leah (m. John Peck), Elizabeth (m. Isaac Beaver), John b. 1813, George Adam, Sophia, and Moses. All of these children with the exceptions of Elizabeth and John b. 1813 migrated to Newton County, Missouri along with George and his wife. Elizabeth's son, Daniel Beaver, made the trip to Missouri with his grandparents and relatives, and Elizabeth fits with George's Census records and came to Cabarrus County with him from Rowan. John also fits George's Census records, moved to Cabarrus with him, and actually took up the same profession as George, which was gunsmithing.

[Note: No marriage record has been found for George's daughter Sophia, who married Jesse Hodge. But her maiden name can be proven by her son George's and son Daniel's death certificates in Missouri, which give their mother's name as Sophia Eagle. Her daughter Agnes's 1949 Texas death certificate also gives her mother's name as Sophia Eagle. She is buried in the same cemetery as her parents and her siblings George Adam and Leah.]

George and John were both highly respected gunsmiths in their geographic area. Some of their rifles are still surviving today and fetch thousands of dollars. One of John's rifles is on display at the Museum of Early Southern Decorative Arts in Salem, NC. []

George's rifles are equally revered and collectible. Photographs of one of his rifles can be found here:

This shared profession, along with John's fit with George's census records and geographic locale make him an almost certain son of George. Additionally, John doesn't actually fit in the household of any other Eagle man in the 1830 Census, as well be discussed later, which further solidifies the near certainty that he is indeed George's son.

The other two children typically attached to George are Solomon Eagle and Mary "Polly" Eagle who married Isaac Ribelin. As George did not leave behind any estate records that we know of, putting together his family has been done mostly by logical deduction and circumstantial evidence, or at least that's how it appears to me. Several published accounts of the Eagle family over several decades have listed George with these eight children, and for the most part, the family fits together pretty straight forwardly. They all match with George's census records, and as shown above, most can be attached to him by geographic movements and other means. However, all of these same published accounts list George as the son of George Sr., and as I have proven above, he was the son George Sr.'s brother John. So if they can be wrong about that, they could be wrong about his children as well.

Fitting Solomon and Mary into George's family isn't as simple as fitting in the other children. For one thing, the six more or less confirmed children all lived in Cabarrus County with George at one time or another. However, Solomon and Mary were firmly rooted in neighboring Rowan County for their adult lives from their marriages on. It would be easier in some ways to conclude they were the children of either George Sr. or Phillip (being the only two Eagles in NC old enough besides John who had his own daughter Mary to be the father of Mary), or that Solomon (born in 1811) could be the son of one of George's or Phillip's eldest sons. But they have been attached to George b. 1781, and therefore I have become determined to show with as much conviction as possible that they do indeed belong to George b. 1781's family. So I have set out to do so, and I will share my evidence and conclusions below.

II. Could anyone besides George b. 1781 be Mary Eagle Ribelin's father?

Mary "Polly" Eagle who married Isaac Ribelin was born about 1807, according to her headstone, which states she died in 1878 at age 71. In order to rule out other Eagles as Mary's father, we can start with looking at the four other "elder" Eagles found in Rowan and Cabarrus counties in 1850 besides George b. 1781: Peter (1794), John (1790), George (1799), and John (1794). Obviously all four of these men are too young to have been Mary's father, as even the eldest of them, John b. 1790, would have been only 17 at her birth and neither he nor John b. 1794, nor Peter have a female over age 10 in their 1820 households.

George b. 1781 is the only one of the elder Eagles living in 1850 who was really old enough to be Mary's father, but that doesn't mean one of the other eldest Eagles could not have been. The previously mentioned deed listing John Eagle's heirs includes a daughter named Mary who was married to Samuel Albright, which means John is not this Mary's father. In the 1810 Census, George b. 1781 has 3 daughters under age 10, while George Sr. has one and Phillip has two. This leaves open the possibility that George Sr. or Phillip could be Mary's father.

In the 1820 Census, George's under age 10 female from the 1810 Census is now in the 16-26 age range, making her too old to be Mary. It is unclear who this female is; she may be the Jane Eagle who married Archibald Gibson in Rowan County on 7 Oct 1828, as it does not appear this Jane has been connected to any particular family, but as she not found in other records we can not ascertain her age so we can really only guess as to where she belongs. Phillip's two daughters from the 1810 Census appear in 1820 in the 10-16 age range, leaving open the possibility that one of them could be Mary. It is certain that one of them is Esther Eagle who married Thomas Franklin Bain on 14 Mar 1829. Esther and her husband followed the majority of Phillip's children after his death to Maury County, Tennessee; John b. 1794 and James who later moved to Mecklenburg County.

According to William Henry Egle's "Pennsylvania Genealogies", this second daughter would be an Elizabeth Eagle who married a Simeon Lutz and had at least two children by him. I have not found any record of a daughter Elizabeth, nor of her husband Simeon Lutz or their supposed children, Henry and Sophia. Egle's genealogy has been proven to be imperfect, but his work on Phillip Eagle's descendants is mostly solid and verifiable, so I am inclined to believe Egle that the second 10-16 year old female in Phillip's 1820 household is indeed Elizabeth. However, as Elizabeth's existence has not yet been proven with documentation, it leaves open the small possibility that Mary could be Phillip's daughter. But since by 1840, all of Phillip's other descendants were either in Maury County, Tennessee or else Cabarrus (John b. 1794) or Meckelnburg (James) counties, it seems unlikely that Mary would have stayed behind and not gone to be nearer any of her immediate family if she were indeed a part of Phillip's brood.

Having reduced the probability that anyone but George b. 1781 could be Mary's father to almost none, we must now ask ourselves:

III. How else can Mary be directly or indirectly tied to George b. 1781?

By now, we've covered the facts that Mary cannot be tied to George b. 1781 with documentation or even really with geographic proximity, but she does fit into his family's census records. So how else can we show Mary to be connected with George b. 1781? For me, it starts with her marriage.

Mary married Isaac Ribelin on 10 Aug 1822 in Rowan County. The fact that she married Isaac in Rowan County has always struck me as strange since by 1820, George b. 1781 was in Cabarrus County and she would seemingly be one of the 10-16 year old females in his 1820 household there. But it would certainly not be unheard of for someone to get married in a county adjacent to where they are living, especially when they were born in that county and lived their early life there. The bondsman for this marriage is an important clue; the bondsman's name was George Vogler. Like Eagle, Vogler was a celebrated gunsmith. He moved to Rowan County in about 1815, having apprenticed under his uncle, Christopher Vogler, in Salem, NC. Information on Vogler and a picture of one of his guns can be found here:

It is likely that all of the gunsmiths in early Rowan county were well-acquainted with one another, if not friends. This assertion is even further supported by the fact that yet another celebrated gunsmith of Rowan County was none other than Mary's husband, Isaac Ribelin. The same blog I have linked to multiple times has information on Isaac's work and a picture of one of his rifles.

This common link between George Eagle, George Vogler, and Isaac Ribelin is an important one. I think it is possible, if not probable, that Isaac apprenticed under George Eagle, which is where he probably learned the gunsmith trade. This is purely conjecture, but George b. 1781's 1810 household includes an unidentified male under the of 10; is it not possible that this could be Isaac Ribelin, b. 1800, appearing in the household as George's apprentice? It's a possibility, but not something that I could prove. Regardless, the fact that George b. 1781 was a gunsmith, and that Mary married another gunsmith while a 3rd gunsmith acted as bondsman for said marriage points to the likelihood that Mary was indeed George's daughter.

Mary can also be succinctly connected to Solomon Eagle, who as previously mentioned is in a similar boat to Mary in that he cannot be attached to George b. 1781 by documentation or geographic proximity, though he fits in George's early census records and has been attached to George in many published genealogies. Mary's husband, Isaac Ribelin, acted as the bondsman for Solomon's 18 Dec 1834 marriage to Agnes N. Hodge in Rowan County. Once again, it is curious that Solomon married in Rowan County when he would have been living in Cabarrus, but it is not unheard of. Solomon appears to have lived the remainder of his adult life in Rowan County, as did Mary.

It would be nice if Solomon were also a gunsmith, which would tie him even more firmly to George b. 1781, but in the 1850 Census he is listed as a cooper, who was a person who made and repaired casks and barrels. However, in that census he is living next door to another gunsmith: Jesse Ribelin, the eldest son of Mary and Isaac, who clearly picked up the trade from his father. Further, Solomon is buried mere feet from Mary in Saint Matthew's Lutheran Church Cemetery. According to their records, Solomon is buried in Row 3, Plot 15, while Mary is buried in Row 4, plot 22 which means they are laid to rest not just in the same cemetery but within a few yards of one another. []

These facts appear to tie Mary and Solomon together as siblings, which then leads us to out next quandary:

IV. Could anyone besides George b. 1781 be Solomon Eagle's father?

According to his headstone, Solomon Eagle was born 14 Jun 1811. This would mean he would be enumerated as an under 10 male in the 1820 Census, and as a 15-20 year old male in the 1830 Census. Fortunately, this makes finding him fairly straightforward. In the 1820 Census, Phillip's son Joseph, who is living in Cabarrus County, has 3 sons under age 10, while Peter, John b. 1790, and John b. 1794 each have one, and our George b. 1781 has 3. George Sr. and Phillip have no males in their households under the age of 16.

The eldest sons of Peter, John b. 1790, and John b. 1794 have not been identified the majority of Eagle genealogies as best as I have ascertained. In fact, after having identified each of these sons myself, I found that little can be found about them online, and when I did find them online, no one had bothered to attach them to their fathers. So I believe I have identified the sons of these three men who were born between 1810 and 1820. None of these men left wills, so obviously these connections are circumstantial, but I think my cases for each of them is as strong as one could hope for.

1. Peter's son under age 10 in the 1820 Census is almost certainly David Eagle, who was born about 1816 and can be found in Rowan County census records in 1850 and 1860. David was a little difficult to place because while he was living next door to Peter in the 1840 Census, in 1850 he was living next door to Peter's brother John b. 1790 who also would have had a son David's age. It wasn't until I had identified John's son who was David's age that I felt sure David was Peter's son. Peter and David living next door to one another in 1840 in combination with the evidence regarding who John b. 1790's son is is good enough for me.

2. John b. 1790's son was almost certainly John A. Eagle. John A. Eagle married Barbary A. Lorets in Rowan County on 4 Feb 1845. In 1850, they are found living Ouachita County, Arkansas. John's Census records in 1850 and 1860 put his age at about 1820, so he would be the "under 10" in John b. 1790's 1820 household, the 5-10 year old in his 1830 household, and the 20-30 year old in his 1840 household. The reason I have connected John A. to John b. 1790 is because by 1860 another of John b. 1790's sons can be found in Ouachita County, Arkansas: his next eldest, Daniel M. Eagle, who was born about 1833. He can be found enumerated as "D M Eagle" in Ouachita County in 1860, while in 1850 he was still living in his father's home.

This circumstantial evidence is strong enough for me to tie John A. to John. Further, John b. 1790's 1840 Census proves that his "under 10" son from 1820 was still living with him as a 20-30 year old male. The above-mentioned David already had his own household by 1840 when he was living next to Peter, while Peter's son who was under 10 in 1820 is not still residing with him.

3. The son of John b. 1794, who was a son of Phillip and moved to Cabarrus County between 1830 and 1840, was certainly Daniel Eagle. Though his census records have him being born anywhere from 1815 to 1817, Daniel's enlistment records when he joined the 4th North Carolina Senior Reserves in the Civil War gives his age as 44 years, 10 months, and 17 days on the day he enlisted, 29 Jun 1864. This would make his date of birth 12 Aug 1819. The record gave his place of birth as Rowan County. Daniel is the only Eagle male born between 1810 and 1820 who is found in Cabarrus County census records with the exceptions of George b. 1781's sons John b. 1813 and George Adam. Further, like the above John b. 1790, John b. 1794 still has a 20-30 year old son in the 1840 Census in Cabarrus County, and Daniel did not have his own household that year which points to the strong likelihood that Daniel was the 20-30 year old male in John b. 1794's household.

For the identifications of Joseph Eagle's 3 sons under the age of 10 in the 1820 Census, we can refer back to Egle's "Pennsylvania Genealogies". Joseph's is another of the lines that appears to have been thoroughly researched, and can likely be trusted. Egle attributes 3 sons who were born between 1810 and 1820 to Joseph: James, born 24 Mar 1813, and Phillip and Henry, twins born in 1817. James and Henry can be firmly tied to Joseph, and while Phillip died young the fact that he married a sister of James's wife raises the probability that he was indeed Joseph's son rather than a son of one of Joseph's brothers.

It should be noted that Joseph's 1820 household also includes a 10-16 year old male who has not been identified. A marriage record for Joseph and his wife, Rosena Furr, has not been found. Some online sources give their date of marriage as 11 Apr 1811 in Cabarrus County, but this marriage is not found in Rowan County's marriage register. [] Rosena was previously married to George Klutts on 13 May 1807 in Cabarrus. The 10-16 year old male could have been a product of her first marriage, or else could have been on of Joseph's brothers. Some genealogies ( claim the family also had a son named George b. about 1811, but no documentation of this George has been discovered.

Further, most Eagle genealogies attribute the aforementioned John Eagle b. 1790 as a son of Phillip. This appears to have been done primarily because this John married Sophia Furr, a sister of the above mentioned Rosena Furr, both daughters of Henry Furr. Henry Furr even names his son-in-law John Eagle the executor of his estate. And Joseph Eagle acted as the bondsman for John's marriage to Sophia. People appear to have assumed this was a case of a pair of brothers marrying a pair of sisters, which was not uncommon in these days. However, I think it is more likely that John and Joseph were first cousins. First of all, John who married Sophia, while he married in Cabarrus County, appears to have resided in Rowan County all of his life. He is always found to be very near Peter and George Jr., and I believe the three of them are the three sons of George Sr. who are found in his 1800 and 1810 households. I believe John b. 1794 is the son of Phillip because he migrated to Cabarrus from Rowan County along with his brother, Joseph.

It is certainly possible that I have these two John's mixed up at John b. 1790 of Rowan is the son of Phillip and John b. 1794 of Cabarrus is the son of George Sr., but the remarkably close proximity in which John of Rowan lived with Peter and George Jr. leads me to strongly believe that he is their brother, rather than their 1st cousin.

Now that we have seemingly identified all of the under age 10 male Eagles from the 1820 Census, we can take it a step further. As previously stated, in 1830 Solomon Eagle would have been in the 15-20 age range, and as stated even earlier, John b. 1813 would have also been in the 15-20 age range. As it turns out, there is only two Eagle households in 1830 with males between the ages of 15 and 20: George b. 1781 and Joseph, son of Phillip. As Joseph's 15-20 year old son has already been firmly identified as James Eagle, born 24 Mar 1813, that leads us to a logical conclusion that the two 15-20 year old males in George b. 1781's 1830 household must be Solomon b. 1811 and John b. 1813.

Again, all of this is circumstantial evidence, but it would appear that since Solomon and Mary are pretty firmly connected together, and they cannot fit into any other Eagle household but George b. 1781's, they logically must be the son and daughter of George Eagle b. 1781. There is also one more way we can confirm that Mary was indeed the daughter of George b. 1781, and that is by look at:

V. DNA Evidence

I have collected a DNA sample from my grand uncle, Dr. Robert Ronald "Ronnie" Moose, M.D. He is the son of Robert Royer Moose, son of Adolphus Franklin Moose, son of Sarah Jane Ribelin, daughter of Isaac Ribelin and Mary Eagle. This would make Isaac and Mary his great great grandparents. The Ancestry DNA test picks up familial relationships very well within 5 generations, and relatively well up to 8 generations. As Ronnie's relationship to Isaac and Mary is within 5 generations, one can assume that his Eagle connections will be quite accurate.

Ronnie had two matches that came back at 96% confidence, predicting a relationship of 4th-6th cousins.

The first was to a user name stoweanne. She appears to be a 6th cousin of Ronnie, as she descends directly from Rachel Eagle McNeely, daughter of Phillip Eagle, son of Adam Eagle. Ronnie's second match was even more promising, as it showed him to be a 4th cousin once removed of user brentley_clark, a direct descendant of Sophia Eagle who married Jesse Hodge, a daughter of George Eagle b. 1781. This match further solidifies my conviction that despite the lack of strong documentation proving the relationship, Mary "Polly" Eagle, wife of Isaac Ribelin, is indeed a daughter of George Eagle b. 1781.

Ronnie's DNA evidence also lent some assistance to another mysterious question, one regarding George b. 1781's wife, which is:

VI. Are Susannah and Mary Magdeline the same woman?

On 18 Oct 1802, George Eagle is shown to have married a Susannah Haldeman, a surname of Mennonite origin which has been found to be spelled in a number of variations including Holdeman, Halterman, and other similar spellings. Pastor Storch's records list her as "Sus." However, by 1850 George's wife's name in the census is Mary M., and in 1860 she is listed as "Magdeline". Her headstone lists her as "Mary M. Eagle". Most Eagle researchers label her as "Mary Magdelin Susannah", but I am suspicious of this, as it seems more likely that Susannah was a first wife who passed away and then George remarried to a Mary Magdeline.

The evidence to the contrary of that sentiment is, however, quite strong. First of all, Cabarrus County kept very accurate marriage records, and there is no record of George remarrying. Second of all, in 1820 George is found two households from a Paul Nussman in Rowan County. Thirty years later in neighboring Cabarrus County, George is found living next door to Paul Nussman. And who was Paul Nussman's wife? Why, none other than a Hannah Haldeman, whom he married in Cabarrus County on 20 Aug 1810. It seems unlikely that George would live in such close proximity to Paul Nussman and his wife Hannah for so long if it were George's former wife who was a Haldeman and not his current one. This lends credence to the assertion that Susannah and Mary Magdeline were one in the same.

Further, both Mary and Hannah in the 1850 Census claim to have been born in Pennsylvania. This is where the Haldeman family originated, as did most early Mennonites.

Marlene DiGiovanni, a longtime genealogical researcher of the Eagle family and descendant of Leah Eagle, daughter of George b. 1781, who married Isaac Beaver, asserts that it was not uncommon for a person's given Christian name and their personal name among their family members to be different. She believes strongly that Mary Magdeline and Susannah are one in the same, and I am inclined to agree with her despite the lack of documentation proving this assertion.

Three other Haldemans are found in Cabarrus County records in addition to Hannah and Mary/Susannah. An Elizabeth Haldeman married a William Groner or Croner in Cabarrus County on 19 Jan 1795. A Christian Halteman/Halterman married a Mary Schmidt/Smith on 1 Sep 1800 in Cabarrus County, and is found in Cabarrus County census records in 1810, 1820, and 1830. His eldest and only identified son was Abraham Halterman who appears in several Cabarrus County records. It is interesting to note as well that Pastor Storch's records state that he buried an Abraham Haldeman in 1798.

A researcher named Donna Basinger who has thoroughly researched many Haldeman Mennonite families believes that this Abraham was almost certainly the father of this clump of Haldemans in Cabarrus and Rowan counties. She believes this Abraham who was buried by Pastor Storch to be an Abraham Krey Haldeman of Pennsylvania, brother of John Krey Haldeman and Nicholas Haldeman, the latter of which apparently also migrated to North Carolina from Pennsylvania. She writes:

"The brother of my possible ancestor John Krey Haldeman was Abraham Krey Haldeman. He was supposed to have moved out of Pennsylvania, probably after the Rev. War. His brother Nicholas Haldeman supposedly went to North Carolina as well. I think this is Abraham, father of Christian. This Abraham’s father was Christian and Mennonite naming patterns means you name the first son after his grandfather. So Abraham named his son Christian after his father. Christian then named a son Abraham after his father."

 She also sent a biographical sketch of an Eli Eddlemann from "History of Alexander, Union, and Pulaski Counties, Illinois", edited by William Henry Perrin. He married a daughter of the aforementioned younger Abraham Halterman, son of Christian of Rowan County, likely son of the elder Abraham. 

"He was married in 1852 in this county to Miss Mary L. Halterman.  A native of N. Carolina born September 24, 1827 and came to Union Co with her parents in 1850. ...Mrs  Eddleman’s father was Abraham Halterman, a native of N. Carolina and born in 1800.  He was a farmer and carpenter and in 1852 built the County Court house at Concord N.C.  and in 1850 came to Union Co. ILL.  He was a large landholder owning some 2500 acres.  He died in 1853   His father was Christian Halterman a native of Pennsylvania but an early emigrant to North Carolina."

This sketch further points to the probability that Christian was a brother of Mary/Susannah, Hannah, and probably Elizabeth as well. The only other way I know of to try and learn more about the family of Mary/Susannah, or at least confirm assumptions, is by looking at DNA evidence. Once again, I will look at Ronnie Moose's DNA results to see if they lend credence to the assertion that Mary Eagle Ribelin's mother was a Haldeman/Halterman of Pennsylvanian Mennonite descent.

I have decided to search through Ronnie's results using six different variations of the name: Haldeman, Halderman, Holdeman, Holderman, Halterman, and Holterman. Each search yielded matches of varying degrees of confidence with the exception of Holterman, which yielded no results. I will not be looking at the many results with "Low" and "Very Low" confidence; I will focus only on those with "Moderate" or higher confidence.

Under these parameters, I came up with six promising matches. The most intriguing of which was to user Forcumjr. He descends from a Joseph Halterman who died in Davie County, NC in October 1845, and who married his wife, Rosanna Tate, in none other than Rowan County on 10 Jun 1829. The bondsman for their marriage was a Frederick Stirewalt. And who did Abraham, son of Christian, marry? Why, he married Enny Stirewalt on 1 Jan 1825 in Rowan County. I believe Joseph was likely another son of Christian, and with Ancestry's Moderate confidence that this user is a 5th-8th cousin of Ronnie, it appears even more likely that Mary Eagle Ribelin's mother was indeed a Haldeman who was likely a sister of Christian. 

Four of the remaining five matches are of "Moderate" confidence, and they all seemingly connect back to the Haldeman/Holderman families in the areas of Bucks and Chester counties, Pennsylvania.

1. User Dobisearch descends from a Magdalene Halderman who married Henry Showalter. The Showalters were from Chester County, PA.

2. User lwendell183 descends from a Susanna Haldeman who married John O. Fretz and died in Bucks County in 1875. She was a daughter of a John Haldeman who came to Bucks County from Plymouth County, Massachusetts. He was the son of a John Haldeman b. 1694 who married a Rebecca Nightengale. 

3. User Linda84 descends from a Catherine Holdeman who was from Ohio and Indiana. She was the daughter of a David Holdeman who was born in Ohio and died in Kansas in 1905. He was the son of a Christian Holdeman who died in Wayne County, Ohio and was born in Bucks County, PA. He was the son of a John Holdeman who died in Bucks County, PA in 1813. The user lists him as the son of another John who was the son of yet another John.

4. User ThomasCJenkins descends from the same Magdalene Halderman who married Henry Showalter as the above-mentioned user "Dobisearch". He has Magdalene as a daughter of Nicholas Haldeman and Catherine Gueldin. He has this Nicholas as the son of another Nicholas who died Chester County, PA in Sep 1762. He has Nicholas as the son of a Michael Haldeman. 

The last Halterman DNA match is an intriguing one in a different way. This user, denshebailey1, connected to Ronnie with 96% certainty that they are 4th-6th cousins. His Halterman family, however, do not appear to have been Mennonite in origin. He descends from a Catherine Halterman who married a Solomon White. She was a daughter of Adam Halterman and Sarah Peck, and they were from Pendleton County, Virginia. Adam's father was apparently a Charles Halterman who he has as being born in Germany and marrying an Elizabeth Huffman. How accurate this is I can't be sure without delving into this family, but it is an interesting connection nonetheless. It is also possible that we connect to this user through a line other than the Halterman family, a possibility with every one of these matches. 

However, the sheer number of matches with moderate confidence seems to point to the probability that Mary Eagle Ribelin was indeed the daughter of a Haldeman, and I will keep that assertion in my records until proven otherwise.

A final note: Some online Eagle genealogies attribute a handful of other children to George b. 1781 and his wife. They list a Daniel b. 1805, "Katie Anna" (some with no birth date, some with date of 18 May 1818), Noah b. 14 Jul 1819, and Anna Maria b. 22 Jun 1823. Please note that there is absolutely zero proof that any of these children existed, they are most likely figments of the imagination of some long-gone researcher. Daniel is the only "real" possibility as George does have a son under age 10 in his 1810 household, but there is no proof of this child's name, if he was indeed George's child. 

I hope this post will be of help to Eagle researchers. Please feel free to e-mail me or leave comments with any other thoughts or information.